Lloyd v Others.

Carey placed Lloyd as below Pav and Tredrea last night in his dozen best fwds list.

Is this fair? I'm too young to have a reliable opinion
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  • VandrsVandrs In the faaaccceee!!!!
    Don't do drugs kids. You'll stuff up your mind like Carey
  • DonsForEverDonsForEver Life-long Bomber Supporter
    IMO that is an utter joke. Lloyd sh*ts all over those two from heavenly heights. They're not even close.

    Carey is probably still bitter about the hammerings Lloyd handed out to Nth Melbourne in the late 90s.
  • YossarianYossarian Follow AFL? No, I follow Essendon
    People not giving Lloyd his due? Gee where have I seen that before?















    Oh that's right, all through his entire farking career. Nothing new here.
  • BacchusfoxBacchusfox Legs of a Champion
    Lloyd. 270 games 926 goals, 5 All Australian, 3 X Coleman, Club Captain, 2000 Premiership

    Pavlich. 344 games, 680 goals, 6 All Australian, Club Captain

    Tredea 255 games 549 goals, 4 All Australian. Club Captain, 2004 Premiership

    Goals win games, Lloyd best by far.
  • Paul PeosPaul Peos RIP NickyD
    edited June 2016
    Since 2000:

    Lloyd, Buddy

    Daylight

    The rest of the pack.
  • Paul PeosPaul Peos RIP NickyD
    Buddy is probably going to have a more consistent career overall, but I'd take Lloyd's best years over Buddy's.
  • Yeah but lloyd knocked out sewell, sewells a good guy.
  • Warlock PaulWarlock Paul Embracing the Hate, since 2013
    Lloyd and Buddy are similar in that you just feel like they will kick a goal if they get the ball anywhere from 65 out. Both amazing kicks on goal, but also both very different players.

    Lloydy **** all over Pav and Tredrea

    Add to Lloyd's list

    Goal of the Year: 2007 Remember that crazy arsed back heeler kick he pulled off between Farkcarlton players legs??



    Mark of the Year: 2008 Standing on the pack of Demons to take a massive speccy.



  • Darth TajDarth Taj I find your lack of fabric disturbing
    Lol Carey's just shitty his career ended the way it did
  • Captain JackCaptain Jack Long - Range Bomber
    Count me as another who rates Lloyd over Pav and Tredrea as well. Lloyd was always going to be a champion after he arrived at EFC and he delivered. He was not quite as effective after his serious hamstring injury, as it cost him a yard of pace, but he was a spectacular mark when in full flight. He was also deadly accurate. Carey has his own agenda to push here, but as the stats tell Lloyd has the goals on the board to back up the claims, that he was better than those other two.
  • Lloyd a far better forward than Pav, but pav was obviously far more versatile.

    Tredrea at his peak was scary, his 2004 year was about as good a season as a CHF can have. Lloyd was better for longer tho.

    Lloyd was a freak, probably suffers a bit in most people's memories because his best footy was in the first half of his career. Lloyd was already a superstar when Tredrea was still finding his feet.
  • mrjezmrjez Embracing The Hate


    Tredrea 255 games 549 goals, 4 All Australian. Club Captain, 2004 Premiership.

    Nup, still not ringing a bell. Tredrea, you say?
  • wazzawazza Carlton hater.
    Carey must be a chronic masterbaiter to say that!
  • wimmera1wimmera1 You know I'm right.
    This is silly.
  • brem06brem06 Suboptimal
    All-Time List

    Lockett
    Coventry
    Dunstall
    Wade
    Ablett
    Titus
    Lloyd

    Since 2000...

    Lloyd kicked 681 goals from 189 games at an average of 3.6 goals per game.
    Buddy 746 from 231, average 3.23
    Pav has 680 from 344: average 1.98
    Riewoldt 668 from 308: average 2.17
    Fevola 623 from 204 at 3.05
    Warren Farking Tredrea 476 from 217 at 2.19

    Carey can say what he likes, but since 2000, there's only been 3 players average over 3 goals per game: Lloyd, Franklin, and Fevola.




  • Tredrea was overrated but let the crow eaters have their mini Lloydy.

    Pav is a great- but Lloyd was much better.
  • They are different types of players FFS.

    Treadrea was a CHF who more often than not monstered us. His goal average would be lower as a CHF.

    Pav is versatile but never caused us many problems without massive intervention from the maggots. His versatility is proven by all the positions he received as AA selection. /sarcastica

    Lloydy was a sublime FF as shown by the statistics cited above. He would have finished higher in the goal kicking list were it not for injury and mismanagement during the Nights (sic) era.

  • Lloyd- daylight- tredrea- daylight-pavlich

    I don't even consider pavlich a afl champion. In the big games he has never really stood up.

    Lloyd played well in both grand finals he was in, including numerous big games and finals. Tredrea was very good in big games.

    Carey has done way too much coke if he is putting those 2 on lloyds level, let alone rates them higher

  • pazzapazza Champion
    Guess he rates CHFs higher than FFs
  • Blummers32Blummers32 Take my advice — I'm not using it
    Lloyd and Fevola were the last of the stay at home full forwards.
    We won't see that again as long as the rules and game style stays as is.

    Comparing Lloyd to others solely on goals kicked is unfair. If that were the case, Lloyd would rate ahead of Franklin.

    Having said that, I'd have Lloyd ahead of Tredrea but at the same level as Pavlich. Even though there are more games where Pavlich and Tredrea put the team on their shoulders and won them the game. Lloyd was amazingly consistent across his career in a team that was so well balanced, he didnt have to take over games the way the other two had to.

    Then again...
    It's Carey's list...
    I would expect him to rate certain players lower because of the team rivalry they had during his career.
    You ask any North player from the late 90s which team they hated most and they'd be likely to say Essendon.
  • David J RichardsonDavid J Richardson Relevant Avatar King
    edited June 2016
    It seems a lot don't remember how good he was around the turn of the century. Pretty much every lead was either a clunk mark or kept front and centre for the crumbers. Guy was a freak.

    (Kids, ask your parents about leads and crumbing.)
  • Sameolds2010Sameolds2010 Everything is awesome

    Lloyd and Fevola were the last of the stay at home full forwards.
    We won't see that again as long as the rules and game style stays as is.

    Comparing Lloyd to others solely on goals kicked is unfair. If that were the case, Lloyd would rate ahead of Franklin.

    Having said that, I'd have Lloyd ahead of Tredrea but at the same level as Pavlich. Even though there are more games where Pavlich and Tredrea put the team on their shoulders and won them the game. Lloyd was amazingly consistent across his career in a team that was so well balanced, he didnt have to take over games the way the other two had to.

    Then again...
    It's Carey's list...
    I would expect him to rate certain players lower because of the team rivalry they had during his career.
    You ask any North player from the late 90s which team they hated most and they'd be likely to say Essendon.

    If you can remember who they are
  • BLOODSTAINED DEVILSBLOODSTAINED DEVILS Senior Player / Devils Advocate. - "Only The Truth Will Set Us Truly Free"

    It seems a lot don't remember how good he was around the turn of the century. Pretty much every lead was either a clunk mark or kept front and centre for the crumbers, or throwing the lower legs backward, while simultaneously shunting the chest forward Guy was a freak.

    (Kids, ask your parents about leads and crumbing, and diving.)


    EFA.
  • It seems a lot don't remember how good he was around the turn of the century. Pretty much every lead was either a clunk mark or kept front and centre for the crumbers, or throwing the lower legs backward, while simultaneously shunting the chest forward Guy was a freak.

    (Kids, ask your parents about leads and crumbing, and diving.)


    EFA.
    WTF?
  • David J RichardsonDavid J Richardson Relevant Avatar King
    Yeah, harsh.

    He would often try to mark while falling/diving because it was impossible to defend that. You can only get away with that when you are a great clunker -- otherwise you're on the ground and your opponent is getting an easy rebound.

    But if your timing slips and you get less impressive delivery it may not look so good...
  • It seems a lot don't remember how good he was around the turn of the century. Pretty much every lead was either a clunk mark or kept front and centre for the crumbers. Guy was a freak.

    (Kids, ask your parents about leads and crumbing.)

    He was brilliant in this regard, he either took the mark or brought it down, rarely beaten. If we had a decent small forward for the second half of his career, ala Betta or Lecras, they would have bagged 40 goals from Lloyd alone.
  • Darth TajDarth Taj I find your lack of fabric disturbing
    edited June 2016
    He was sooooooooo good before his hammy. Reckon he would have taken us to the finals by himself that year.

    Off the bone too. Bloody bad luck.
  • Blummers32Blummers32 Take my advice — I'm not using it
    I didn't see Lloyd as a diver.
    When he led at the ball handler he sprinted towards him. Most other forwards would slow up as they're approaching the ball, but Lloyd never slowed up. So any little touch in the back would put him way off balance and look like he was diving, when it was just natural.

    I know opposition supporters wouldn't see it that way though.
  • Sameolds2010Sameolds2010 Everything is awesome
    Lloydy is one of the greatest things to happen to efc and is trying to **** it all up by sitting next to that hag and 2 fuckwits every week.
  • BLOODSTAINED DEVILSBLOODSTAINED DEVILS Senior Player / Devils Advocate. - "Only The Truth Will Set Us Truly Free"
    Lloyd himself see's himself as a diver in that period when he was , you know,. .. diving.
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