Season 2016 - GWS

GWS

Coach – Leon Cameron

2015
Points For – 10th
Points Against – 11th

Top 5 Best and Fairest

1. Heath Shaw
2. Adam Treloar
3. Callan Ward
4. Jeremy Cameron
5. Stephen Coniglio

2015 Rising Star Noms

Cam McCarthy (Round 8)

Ins – Steve Johnson, Dawson Simpson, Jacob Hopper, Matthew Kennedy, Harrison Himmelberg, Matthew Flynn, Sam Reid, Daniel Lloyd

Outs – Dylan Addison, Thomas Bugg, Tim Golds, Curtley Hampton, Jed Lamb, Andrew Phillips, Lachlan Plowman, Liam Sumner, Jacob Townsend, Adam Treloar, Sam Schulz

My Prediction

GWS started to announce itself last season. They threatened the eight before losing 5 of their last 7 games. That is still a pass mark for a team still so full of young legs. This year though they need to improve. They need to run the season out.

The forward line is full of danger. McCarthy was fantastic for a young player, Cameron will only get better and if they can keep Patton on the field then the sky is the limit. On top of that they now have Stevie J running around the forward line. Pretty handy teacher for a young player.

The midfield loses a genuine top line talent in Treloar. Not sure they will really feel it though. They have talent to burn in there and with players like Kelly or even Hopper ready to step up, it shouldn’t bother them too much. Mumford is the most important player in the middle for GWS. If he stays fit, GWS will play finals football.

The backline has some good talent as well and it serviceable. Again as players get more and more used to what is required at the top level, they will get better. I feel if there is an area they lack depth then KP backs is probably it. Davis and Mohr can do the job but gets thin after that. Corr played some OK footall last year but they need other options. Running from HB isn’t a problem.

GWS have a genuine depth of talent. They have pulled Simpson in the hope he can support Mumford but I doubt it. Mumford is a gun and needs to play 20+ games this season. I think this is the last season before GWS are a genuine challenger. Somewhere between 7-9 for mine.
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Comments

  • Houli DooliHouli Dooli Half Forward Flanker
    GWS best 22
    B Patful Mohr Tomlinson
    HB Shaw Davis Griffen
    C Coniglio Ward Whitfield
    HF S. Johnson Patton Pickett
    F McCarthy Cameron Smith
    R Mumford Shiel Scully
    Int Hoskin-elliott Steele Greene Kelly
    Emg Palmer Hopper kennedy

    Geez they have some talent

    Not even sure if scully s good enough to get a game.
    Strong midfield.

    top ten picks just outside 22
    Hopper
    Kennedy
    Ahern

    I guess they are/will be a bit short on talls. McCarthy wants to leave. Bit himmelberg may be ok as a similar replacement. Havent seen much of pickett/ahern or marchbank yet. Kennedy and Hopper look afl ready now. There will be lots of pressure on palmer, And other mids surely one will be squeezed out again kelly to us? With treloar leaving they wont miss him as have so many mids all improving.

    Hopper/ kennedy/ ward/ coniglio kelly/ whitfield/ pickett/smith/shiel have potential to be very goodplayers. Like parish/ z merrett/ heppell potential.

    Holes in list are ruck/ key defense if mumford gets injured and davis they could be in trouble. But midfield should win plenty of ball.

    Predict gws to make finals finish 5-8th.
    And their reserves will win Neafl comp.
  • DeckhamDeckham Going down swinging
    Probably write McCarthy off this year.
    I enjoyed watching GWS play in 2015. Exciting. I saw most of their games.
    Fix their defence and they play finals I reckon.
  • alex.f.94alex.f.94 MODERN STALKING.
    Mcarthy granted indefinite leave to deal with personal issues, allowed to spend time in WA with family and train in WA

    GWS **** up there
  • alex.f.94 said:

    Mcarthy granted indefinite leave to deal with personal issues, allowed to spend time in WA with family and train in WA

    GWS **** up there

    You could argue they stopped Freo winning the flag this year

    Will they get any free agency compensation when he goes next trade period?
  • DeckhamDeckham Going down swinging
    Deckham said:

    Probably write McCarthy off this year.
    I enjoyed watching GWS play in 2015. Exciting. I saw most of their games.
    Fix their defence and they play finals I reckon.

    alex.f.94 said:

    Mcarthy granted indefinite leave to deal with personal issues, allowed to spend time in WA with family and train in WA

    GWS **** up there


    Yeah, cool story, GWS.
  • IceTempleIceTemple Always Elite
    edited January 2016
    Surely the AFL should suspend McCarthy for failing to play? He should be suspended for a year (2017), he has signed obligations and is refusing to honour them. It is time the AFL started making it clear that a contract is a contract and penalties apply to those who, via their **** managers, are failing to meet them? Also Freo should not be getting him for basically free just because they decided they didn't want to really pay for him when the chance was there.
  • Blummers32Blummers32 Take my advice — I'm not using it
    IceTemple said:

    Surely the AFL should suspend McCarthy for failing to play? He should be suspended for a year (2017), he has signed obligations and is refusing to honour them. It is time the AFL started making it clear that a contract is a contract and penalties apply to those who, via their **** managers, are failing to meet them? Also Freo should not be getting him for basically free just because they decided they didn't want to really pay for him when the chance was there.

    If he's got indefinite leave because of homesickness, then fair enough. A fine is fair.

    But without knowing the specific details, it's unfair to say he should be fined.
    He could have a grandfather on his death bed, mother or father diagnosed with cancer or something similar. Under those circumstances, he's entitled to some leave.

    Or...
    It could be the AFL's way of punishing him for breaking the illicit drug code.
    I'm surprised no one has been nabbed yet.
  • They'll make the 8.
  • simmo41simmo41 IS PROBABLY BEING FACETIOUS
    IceTemple said:

    Surely the AFL should suspend McCarthy for failing to play? He should be suspended for a year (2017), he has signed obligations and is refusing to honour them. It is time the AFL started making it clear that a contract is a contract and penalties apply to those who, via their **** managers, are failing to meet them? Also Freo should not be getting him for basically free just because they decided they didn't want to really pay for him when the chance was there.

    It does reek of toys being thrown out of the pram, but it's unfair to jump to that conclusion.
  • Message to Cam McCarthy - toughen up princess.
  • DeckhamDeckham Going down swinging
    simmo41 said:

    IceTemple said:

    Surely the AFL should suspend McCarthy for failing to play? He should be suspended for a year (2017), he has signed obligations and is refusing to honour them. It is time the AFL started making it clear that a contract is a contract and penalties apply to those who, via their **** managers, are failing to meet them? Also Freo should not be getting him for basically free just because they decided they didn't want to really pay for him when the chance was there.

    It does reek of toys being thrown out of the pram, but it's unfair to jump to that conclusion.

    Am I wrong in remembering that this year, he declared that he was moving to WA and did not want to play for GWS in 2016?
  • RebootReboot If you don't pay your exorcist you can get repossessed.

    IceTemple said:

    Surely the AFL should suspend McCarthy for failing to play? He should be suspended for a year (2017), he has signed obligations and is refusing to honour them. It is time the AFL started making it clear that a contract is a contract and penalties apply to those who, via their **** managers, are failing to meet them? Also Freo should not be getting him for basically free just because they decided they didn't want to really pay for him when the chance was there.

    If he's got indefinite leave because of homesickness, then fair enough. A fine is fair.

    But without knowing the specific details, it's unfair to say he should be fined.
    He could have a grandfather on his death bed, mother or father diagnosed with cancer or something similar. Under those circumstances, he's entitled to some leave.

    Or...
    It could be the AFL's way of punishing him for breaking the illicit drug code.
    I'm surprised no one has been nabbed yet.

    Lol. Farking home sickness.
    Grow a farking pair and live up to your obligations little boy.
    This is the real world not kindie and then home to mum for play lunch.
    You signed the contract, you took the money, now it's your turn.
  • simmo41simmo41 IS PROBABLY BEING FACETIOUS
    edited January 2016
    'Boot I assume you had all your sht together when you were 19/20 and never made decisions that seemed awesome at first but proved to be a bit tough later?

    Draft age should be 21.
  • simmo41simmo41 IS PROBABLY BEING FACETIOUS
    Kids get told all throughout high school "go to uni and get a degree! it's the thing to do!"

    They get to uni and realise "oh fk, life away from home is hard, I can't do this" for a multitude of reasons. Financial, illness, depression, etc.

    First year dropout rates are something like 1 in 8 for all unis, and 1 in 5 for regional unis (mostly featuring kids from rural areas).

    Hardly surprising that every now and then an AFL footballer suffers similar issues.
  • simmo41 said:

    'Boot I assume you had all your sht together when you were 19/20 and never made decisions that seemed awesome at first but proved to be a bit tough later?

    Draft age should be 21.

    I grew up in Adelaide and by the time I was 18 I was adamant I was going to have to move to Sydney at some stage as I was pretty ambitious career-wise and knew I had to up and move to gain the opportunities. Ended up moving to Melbourne at 25 and it proved the right decision.

    If you have aspirations to play AFL you know moving is a pretty big possibility. If you haven't mentally prepared for it you have done yourself a disservice and to be honest, it's pretty sh!t of those you surround yourself with not making it perfectly clear as well (I obviously have no idea in Cam's case, but geez, many signs point to what I'm thinking).
  • Gillsy said:

    simmo41 said:

    'Boot I assume you had all your sht together when you were 19/20 and never made decisions that seemed awesome at first but proved to be a bit tough later?

    Draft age should be 21.

    I grew up in Adelaide and by the time I was 18 I was adamant I was going to have to move to Sydney at some stage as I was pretty ambitious career-wise and knew I had to up and move to gain the opportunities. Ended up moving to Melbourne at 25 and it proved the right decision.

    If you have aspirations to play AFL you know moving is a pretty big possibility. If you haven't mentally prepared for it you have done yourself a disservice and to be honest, it's pretty sh!t of those you surround yourself with not making it perfectly clear as well (I obviously have no idea in Cam's case, but geez, many signs point to what I'm thinking).
    can't prepare yourself for depression.
  • simmo41 said:

    'Boot I assume you had all your sht together when you were 19/20 and never made decisions that seemed awesome at first but proved to be a bit tough later?

    Draft age should be 21.

    Agree

    We really need to look at how the US college system works in regards to sports
  • RebootReboot If you don't pay your exorcist you can get repossessed.
    simmo41 said:

    'Boot I assume you had all your sht together when you were 19/20 and never made decisions that seemed awesome at first but proved to be a bit tough later?

    Draft age should be 21.


    Have been saying that for years.
  • DeckhamDeckham Going down swinging
    Muchly agree
  • Silly BillySilly Billy I'm in the dirty white van outside your house

    IceTemple said:

    Surely the AFL should suspend McCarthy for failing to play? He should be suspended for a year (2017), he has signed obligations and is refusing to honour them. It is time the AFL started making it clear that a contract is a contract and penalties apply to those who, via their **** managers, are failing to meet them? Also Freo should not be getting him for basically free just because they decided they didn't want to really pay for him when the chance was there.

    If he's got indefinite leave because of homesickness, then fair enough. A fine is fair.

    But without knowing the specific details, it's unfair to say he should be fined.
    He could have a grandfather on his death bed, mother or father diagnosed with cancer or something similar. Under those circumstances, he's entitled to some leave.

    Or...
    It could be the AFL's way of punishing him for breaking the illicit drug code.
    I'm surprised no one has been nabbed yet.
    That worked with Mitch Clarke so well:
    Im depressed.. take a year off and get a nice payout.. all of a sudden the dr says he is good to go... but only to a successful club.
  • DellDell Formerly Peeto
    Barnz said:

    Gillsy said:

    simmo41 said:

    'Boot I assume you had all your sht together when you were 19/20 and never made decisions that seemed awesome at first but proved to be a bit tough later?

    Draft age should be 21.

    I grew up in Adelaide and by the time I was 18 I was adamant I was going to have to move to Sydney at some stage as I was pretty ambitious career-wise and knew I had to up and move to gain the opportunities. Ended up moving to Melbourne at 25 and it proved the right decision.

    If you have aspirations to play AFL you know moving is a pretty big possibility. If you haven't mentally prepared for it you have done yourself a disservice and to be honest, it's pretty sh!t of those you surround yourself with not making it perfectly clear as well (I obviously have no idea in Cam's case, but geez, many signs point to what I'm thinking).
    can't prepare yourself for depression.
    Correct and firing from the hip is fkg unfair.

    Feel really sorry for him.
  • Houli DooliHouli Dooli Half Forward Flanker

    IceTemple said:

    Surely the AFL should suspend McCarthy for failing to play? He should be suspended for a year (2017), he has signed obligations and is refusing to honour them. It is time the AFL started making it clear that a contract is a contract and penalties apply to those who, via their **** managers, are failing to meet them? Also Freo should not be getting him for basically free just because they decided they didn't want to really pay for him when the chance was there.

    If he's got indefinite leave because of homesickness, then fair enough. A fine is fair.

    But without knowing the specific details, it's unfair to say he should be fined.
    He could have a grandfather on his death bed, mother or father diagnosed with cancer or something similar. Under those circumstances, he's entitled to some leave.

    Or...
    It could be the AFL's way of punishing him for breaking the illicit drug code.
    I'm surprised no one has been nabbed yet.
    That worked with Mitch Clarke so well:
    Im depressed.. take a year off and get a nice payout.. all of a sudden the dr says he is good to go... but only to a successful club.
    Hey that's unfair. You would be depressed if you played at Melbourne too.
  • AllblackAllblack Voice of Reason

    IceTemple said:

    Surely the AFL should suspend McCarthy for failing to play? He should be suspended for a year (2017), he has signed obligations and is refusing to honour them. It is time the AFL started making it clear that a contract is a contract and penalties apply to those who, via their **** managers, are failing to meet them? Also Freo should not be getting him for basically free just because they decided they didn't want to really pay for him when the chance was there.

    If he's got indefinite leave because of homesickness, then fair enough. A fine is fair.

    But without knowing the specific details, it's unfair to say he should be fined.
    He could have a grandfather on his death bed, mother or father diagnosed with cancer or something similar. Under those circumstances, he's entitled to some leave.

    Or...
    It could be the AFL's way of punishing him for breaking the illicit drug code.
    I'm surprised no one has been nabbed yet.
    That worked with Mitch Clarke so well:
    Im depressed.. take a year off and get a nice payout.. all of a sudden the dr says he is good to go... but only to a successful club.
    Not sure I am missing your point here or whether you genuinely havent followed his story. Wasnt a stellar year last year and still really fighting it.
  • Peeto87 said:

    Barnz said:

    Gillsy said:

    simmo41 said:

    'Boot I assume you had all your sht together when you were 19/20 and never made decisions that seemed awesome at first but proved to be a bit tough later?

    Draft age should be 21.

    I grew up in Adelaide and by the time I was 18 I was adamant I was going to have to move to Sydney at some stage as I was pretty ambitious career-wise and knew I had to up and move to gain the opportunities. Ended up moving to Melbourne at 25 and it proved the right decision.

    If you have aspirations to play AFL you know moving is a pretty big possibility. If you haven't mentally prepared for it you have done yourself a disservice and to be honest, it's pretty sh!t of those you surround yourself with not making it perfectly clear as well (I obviously have no idea in Cam's case, but geez, many signs point to what I'm thinking).
    can't prepare yourself for depression.
    Correct and firing from the hip is fkg unfair.

    Feel really sorry for him.
    yeah well, as I stated, I had no idea of Cam's position. I think it was shortly after my post it was confirmed it was depression. Obviously puts a completely different spin on it.
  • Henry's Angry PillsHenry's Angry Pills Henry, Sir Womble of Cock
    edited March 2016

    simmo41 said:

    'Boot I assume you had all your sht together when you were 19/20 and never made decisions that seemed awesome at first but proved to be a bit tough later?

    Draft age should be 21.

    Agree

    We really need to look at how the US college system works in regards to sports
    AKA indentured slavery for 3 years before they can (officially) make any money at all?

    It only still happens that way (pending court challenges to the NCAA, which are always brewing) in the US because it's grown up that way, but it'd be impossible to make happen here. There's not the money - Unis don't have the coin, nobody really cares enough to pay $ to watch it, sponsors wouldn't give them the coin either. Rugby, rugby league, cricket, soccer, basketball (and any other sport you can think of) certainly aren't going to follow suit, so it'd be the AFL out on their own - best of luck keeping that generation of kids. And goes without saying that grown, legal adults who otherwise could be earning anywhere from $200k to $1M aren't going to want to throw that away just because.

    There's nothing actually stopping guys from opting out of the draft if they don't feel they're ready - plenty do. There's nothing stopping clubs from not picking guys if they don't believe they're ready - happens all the time.
    Fact is most people, within reason, follow the dollars. And you're kidding yourself if you don't think the majority of these 'homesickness' (no idea on this guy specifically) cases boil down to exactly that. That's not going to change. Setting up a 3-year 'college' style system is pie in the sky.
  • Blummers32Blummers32 Take my advice — I'm not using it
    Agree with HAP. US college system doesn't work here.
    We could change the pathway though.
    Maybe from TAC to VFL (or SANFL, WAFL or other similar league) then to the draft for AFL.

    I also think 3 years of college is right for us.
    I'd say one year in the VFL is enough of a buffer between U18s / VCE studies and AFL.
    That year could help youngsters figure out what career path to take.

    Of course, you wouldn't do it if NRL or other professional competitions aren't doing it.
    You wouldn't want other competitions taking away from the talent pool.
  • Henry's Angry PillsHenry's Angry Pills Henry, Sir Womble of Cock
    edited March 2016

    Agree with HAP. US college system doesn't work here.
    We could change the pathway though.
    Maybe from TAC to VFL (or SANFL, WAFL or other similar league) then to the draft for AFL.

    I also think 3 years of college is right for us.
    I'd say one year in the VFL is enough of a buffer between U18s / VCE studies and AFL.
    That year could help youngsters figure out what career path to take.

    Of course, you wouldn't do it if NRL or other professional competitions aren't doing it.
    You wouldn't want other competitions taking away from the talent pool.

    There's no question of it happening here, not if things stay as they are.

    What exactly is expected to be gained from it? I daresay just as many 21 year olds want out as 20 year olds or 19 year olds, etc etc. Is the theory that a 19 year old footballer is a perfectly mature adult but an 18 year old footballer can't make their own decisions yet?
  • Blummers32Blummers32 Take my advice — I'm not using it

    Agree with HAP. US college system doesn't work here.
    We could change the pathway though.
    Maybe from TAC to VFL (or SANFL, WAFL or other similar league) then to the draft for AFL.

    I also think 3 years of college is right for us.
    I'd say one year in the VFL is enough of a buffer between U18s / VCE studies and AFL.
    That year could help youngsters figure out what career path to take.

    Of course, you wouldn't do it if NRL or other professional competitions aren't doing it.
    You wouldn't want other competitions taking away from the talent pool.

    There's no question of it happening here, not if things stay as they are.

    What exactly is expected to be gained from it? I daresay just as many 21 year olds want out as 20 year olds or 19 year olds, etc etc. Is the theory that a 19 year old footballer is a perfectly mature adult but an 18 year old footballer can't make their own decisions yet?
    I don't think it's about the decision. I think it's more about having players being more ready to commit to being an AFL footballer.

    I'm not entirely sure how U18 footy is organised, but I doubt there is such heavy training during the week, recovery sessions, etc. all while a player is normally going through VCE studies.
    They then step out of this and become professional footballers where their diet is critically watched, they train very often, recovery sessions, etc which also probably means they sort of delay any university studies (or at least don't take on heavy course hours). Aside from a small handful of players, the rest really don't impact greatly for two or three years anyway.
    Getting onto a VFL list for a year, they'd at least be able to get a better understanding of the commitment required at AFL level (especially if they are drafted by an AFL affiliated VFL team).

    In the last two or three years we've had more and more players 'retire' because they want to focus on another aspect of their life or cannot commit to the riggers of AFL footy. I'm not sure if this has occurred at greater rates in the NRL.

    I'm not sure anything will change in the next decade. If you ask any 18 year old, they'd want to play AFL ASAP. Any of them would prefer to get paid as an AFL player than as a VFL player. And they certainly wouldn't want to jeopardise three years of pay from an already short AFL lifespan.
  • Super impressive tonight.
  • Henry's Angry PillsHenry's Angry Pills Henry, Sir Womble of Cock
    edited March 2016
    Club under 16s are getting into dietitians, recovery sessions, gym and so on. Let alone representative. Let alone U18s.
    They're not getting coached twice a week by Gary's dad at that level, TAC coaches are by and large ex-AFL players or coaches and from what I understand there's a lot of the same requirements of AFL guys, albeit on a smaller scale.

    Resources at some of the big junior clubs are unreal, and TAC is pretty much fully funded by the AFL. I dare say going from Calder or Eastern Ranges to VFL would be a step backwards in almost every sense.
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